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Post by ~{=Draek Shadowblade=}~ on Jan 8, 2005 23:14:17 GMT -5
Yeah. the truth is, I treat ppl the way they earn it. In other words. If some girl attacked me, then I would not hesitate to hit her back. (Belive it or not, most guys where I live would just stand there and let her beat the shit outta him, even though most of them are as strong as they are,) but at the same time, I would not attack somone without reason. Bassically, I dont fight unless I absolutely have to, and then its only for self defence. (This is my answer about the whole "cant hit a girl" thing.) Also, I am polite, but only to a point. Get nasty with me, and you will find I can be a bigger ass hole. (That has to do with the always show respect thing.) Also. I act this way the same for guys and girls. Bassically. Being a man or woman does not effect how I treat them. Its a person by person basis. You should never look at whether they are male or female when deciding how to treat them, or what jobs they should have. That is how I see it. treat all the same. That does not mean you have to be nice to some insulting ass hole just because you are nice to your friends. Just that them being male or female should not effect your actions in the least.
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Post by Kazami on Jul 2, 2005 20:39:27 GMT -5
Yeah. the truth is, I treat ppl the way they earn it. In other words. If some girl attacked me, then I would not hesitate to hit her back. (Belive it or not, most guys where I live would just stand there and let her beat the shit outta him, even though most of them are as strong as they are,) but at the same time, I would not attack somone without reason. Bassically, I dont fight unless I absolutely have to, and then its only for self defence. (This is my answer about the whole "cant hit a girl" thing.) Also, I am polite, but only to a point. Get nasty with me, and you will find I can be a bigger ass hole. (That has to do with the always show respect thing.) Also. I act this way the same for guys and girls. Bassically. Being a man or woman does not effect how I treat them. Its a person by person basis. You should never look at whether they are male or female when deciding how to treat them, or what jobs they should have. That is how I see it. treat all the same. That does not mean you have to be nice to some insulting ass hole just because you are nice to your friends. Just that them being male or female should not effect your actions in the least. Please forgive me if I get out of line somewhere in here. And please keep in mind that I'm all for gender equality too. There's just a lot of ignorance involving this subject... And the main thing I have aginst feminism is that they belive that everyone should be treated the same. No, men and women should not be treated the same. Equal, yes, but being treated equal doesn't mean being treated the same. People should realize this. I belive that females shouldn't go out getting jobs in construction or joining the military, but if they really want to, there's no good reason why they shouldn't. But they don't have to be ignorant to the fact that it's much more risky for females to do something like that. And there's been something else I have to tell too. As a male myself, I'm kinda envious of females. And because of some of the things I hear other guys do, I'm almost ashamed of being one myself. The idea of men being the lowest, most pathetic form of life actually crossed my mind before. But women, even if most have it harder, they take too much for granted. They have so many abilities as potential mothers and housewives, but most nowadays ignore those abilities and try to live differently. They try to deny what they were designed for, thinking for some illogical reason that this behavior makes them equal, when in reality it really dosen't. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it's a bad thing to go do what you want, it's just not proving anything. I heard somewhere where birth control is one of the big steps we took for gender equality. Let me get this strait. If there's one thing that will never be the same between males and females is sexuality. This issue don't have anything to do with the issue of gender equality, because men can't get pregnant/give birth. There shouldn't be any comparison there. Once again it's humans being illogical. Why try things like keeping your last name after marriage, or not accepting help from gentlemen? Seriousely, these don't have anything to do with being unequal. They have something to do with being different. People nowadays act like it's a horrid thing to be different. It isn't. And isn't our society today incouraging diversity in every other subject? Why not do it with this one? I think people just don't realize what makes everyone unique. If they don't learn in this subject, they're destined to ignore it in a future subject. All of this is just my oppinion tho ;D |
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Post by Brandy's Back!!! on Jul 2, 2005 23:28:11 GMT -5
Ok...1. Jenni's again was the smartest of all.
An not to be rude but your simply repeating your self in most of your comments Kazami. and as for us women being ignorant to the risks of these so called "male" jobs...we arent or we wouldnt do it. We know and are told of the risks if we didnt want to do it we wouldnt do it in the first place.
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Post by ~{=Draek Shadowblade=}~ on Jul 3, 2005 1:14:46 GMT -5
Would you hit ANY person back though? That's just not right. I don't know how big you are, but I'm guessing that you're pretty tough. It wouldn't be right to hit someone back that didn't/couldn't injure you in the first place. Most women can't do that much damage to a man anyway(besides aiming for a cirtain guy's no-no area), so why retaliate? First off, that was VERY sexist. I definatley do NOT agree to that...especially the part I modified to bold. And yes, I am severely offended by that statement as it insults almost all of my friends. Let me tell you something, Kazami, almost ALL of the girls I know dont fit that description....in fact, most of them would kick your ass the first time you displayed that thinking, cause you would underestimate them....that is the biggest sexist problem of all: underestimating girls. Its pathetic, and i find it absulutely offensive. It is a severe insult to almost all of my friends. And you all know how protective I am of my friends.....and I wont stand for it. Period. this is bullshit. Males are NOT supperior to females in ANY way, not even physical strength, or fighting, or anything at all. MOST of the girls I know could kick ass just as well as any man. If you ever said that around any of the girls I know, you would pick yourself up in a hospital with severe injuries. |
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Post by Kazami on Jul 3, 2005 1:27:28 GMT -5
Would you hit ANY person back though? That's just not right. I don't know how big you are, but I'm guessing that you're pretty tough. It wouldn't be right to hit someone back that didn't/couldn't injure you in the first place. Most women can't do that much damage to a man anyway(besides aiming for a cirtain guy's no-no area), so why retaliate? First off, that was VERY sexist. I definatley do NOT agree to that...especially the part I modified to bold. And yes, I am severely offended by that statement as it insults almost all of my friends. Let me tell you something, Kazami, almost ALL of the girls I know dont fit that description....in fact, most of them would kick your ass the first time you displayed that thinking, cause you would underestimate them....that is the biggest sexist problem of all: underestimating girls. Its pathetic, and i find it absulutely offensive. It is a severe insult to almost all of my friends. And you all know how protective I am of my friends.....and I wont stand for it. Period. this is bullshit. Males are NOT supperior to females in ANY way, not even physical strength, or fighting, or anything at all. MOST of the girls I know could kick ass just as well as any man. If you ever said that around any of the girls I know, you would pick yourself up in a hospital with severe injuries. I'm not underestimating anyone. And note that I said "most". On average, man ARE stronger, but ON AVERAGE. And if you haven't noticed, they're(men & women) physically(and mentally to an extent) different than each other. And no, I haven't met a girl around my age that could take me one-on-one(without weapons or backup), and I feel that it's an insult to them to even suggest that. And I don't mean that you shouldn't defend yourself aginst girls/women, but you couldn't be rough like you could with other men. It's a fact that you could perminantly injure a female by doing that. And like I said before(or at least tried to say), physical strength isn't as important as you make it out to be. |
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Post by ~{=Draek Shadowblade=}~ on Jul 3, 2005 1:32:07 GMT -5
I never said it was all-imprtant. In fact, in case ya have not noticed, in the game, I tend to use speed and agility a bit more than raw power, why? cause ya cant hurt what ya cant hit.
but thats not the point. the point is, most girls i know would have put you in a hospital with severe injuries for saying that.....and you best be glad my mom is not on this forum, as you would find somone far worse than me on the worst day of my life. And I dont know where you live, but most girls are NOT inferior in any way. Strength, or ANYTHING, and i dont mean that strength is all that important. in fact, strength is usually your downfall, not your rise, when it comes to a fight: the stronger you are, usually, the slower you are. Trust me, this is definately true. Yes, it is possible to have a good mixture of both, but one thing always beats both of those: brains. So no, I dont see strength as all-important like you make it sound, thats not what I am saying, what I am saying is that males and females are not AS different as you make it sound. You are adding differences that dont exist.
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Post by Kazami on Jul 3, 2005 1:41:26 GMT -5
I never said it was all-imprtant. In fact, in case ya have not noticed, in the game, I tend to use speed and agility a bit more than raw power, why? cause ya cant hurt what ya cant hit. but thats not the point. the point is, most girls i know would have put you in a hospital with severe injuries for saying that.....and you best be glad my mom is not on this forum, as you would find somone far worse than me on the worst day of my life. And I dont know where you live, but most girls are NOT inferior in any way. Strength, or ANYTHING, and i dont mean that strength is all that important. in fact, strength is usually your downfall, not your rise, when it comes to a fight: the stronger you are, usually, the slower you are. Trust me, this is definately true. Yes, it is possible to have a good mixture of both, but one thing always beats both of those: brains. So no, I dont see strength as all-important like you make it sound, thats not what I am saying, what I am saying is that males and females are not AS different as you make it sound. You are adding differences that dont exist. I'm not adding anything. You don't seem to get that males and females are not equal in every way. Then they wouldn't be different, now would they? The differences in no means make anyone inferior as you think they do. And what you said about me personally you can't prove. You don't know how stong or weak I am, so don't act like you do. And do you really think that fights should prove how superior/inferior everyone is? I really wish people would respect their differences instead of denying their existance because they think it's a bad thing. It's ruining out society IMO. |
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Post by ~{=Draek Shadowblade=}~ on Jul 3, 2005 1:44:33 GMT -5
Strength, ability to defend yourself, all of those things you say are different, none of that is different between males and females BECAUSE OF GENDER, its lifestyle. If you have a guy and a girl live the same lifestyle, they will turn out the same. especially if they are brother/sister. Gender NEVER determines ANY of that. THAT is what I am saying.
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Post by Kazami on Jul 3, 2005 1:56:33 GMT -5
Strength, ability to defend yourself, all of those things you say are different, none of that is different between males and females BECAUSE OF GENDER, its lifestyle. If you have a guy and a girl live the same lifestyle, they will turn out the same. especially if they are brother/sister. Gender NEVER determines ANY of that. THAT is what I am saying. No, gender don't DETERMINE that, but it does give males a slight lead naturally. Study the human body more. Males: designed to be hunters/gatherers Females: designed to raise offspring Not what is suited for modern society of course, but that's just how humans evolved(yes, I belive in evolution). And I also belive that with enough willpower and determination, anyone can overcome their limitations. |
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Post by ~{=Draek Shadowblade=}~ on Jul 3, 2005 2:00:21 GMT -5
I am sorry, but we are NEVER going to agree on this cause it is my experience otherwise.
ever think it was not gender? Other aspects of a person can determine that. Its all a part of genetics. Take a brother/sister and have them live exactly the same lifestyle, no chivalry to make any diff in lifestyle, and they are most likely gonna be the same that way. Oh, and dont forget, they gotta have same friends, and everything....if they live exactly the same, you will likely find they end up the same. the only difference is the reproductive organs.
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Post by Kazami on Jul 3, 2005 2:06:39 GMT -5
I am sorry, but we are NEVER going to agree on this cause it is my experience otherwise. ever think it was not gender? Other aspects of a person can determine that. Its all a part of genetics. Take a brother/sister and have them live exactly the same lifestyle, no chivalry to make any diff in lifestyle, and they are most likely gonna be the same that way. Oh, and dont forget, they gotta have same friends, and everything....if they live exactly the same, you will likely find they end up the same. the only difference is the reproductive organs. The rest of the body is designed differently for both genders, but only minorly. Example: on average, male's center of gravity is higher up than the average female's, because males have more upper-body strength than females, and female's lower bodies are designed to get bigger/wider for child bearing purposes. And yes, this can be proven. |
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Post by ~{=Draek Shadowblade=}~ on Jul 3, 2005 2:10:12 GMT -5
You are talking immage. yes, I cannot argue against that. The LOOK is a bit diff, hence how ya normally can tell the difference between the two at a glance, but other than the LOOK, its no diff. the reproductive organs and LOOK are the only diff. And no, guys are not stronger by nature.
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Post by Kazami on Jul 3, 2005 2:30:42 GMT -5
You are talking immage. yes, I cannot argue against that. The LOOK is a bit diff, hence how ya normally can tell the difference between the two at a glance, but other than the LOOK, its no diff. the reproductive organs and LOOK are the only diff. And no, guys are not stronger by nature. I'm not talking just image. I was refering to natural strength. By default(if a male and female were raised under the same conditions), there are differences. They shouldn't be insulting, and their existance shouldn't be denied. But I know you won't belive me. Go to a physiologist for the truth. I know I will.  |
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Post by Deragon on Jul 3, 2005 21:13:28 GMT -5
ok i have a headache now ok on to my point, guys i think continueing this thread might not be a good idea to outsiders this might make us look like a bunch of bickering young children with too much free time, im not saying it has to be ended because i have no authority at all but just think how this would look to a guest reading it.
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Post by ~{=Draek Shadowblade=}~ on Jul 3, 2005 21:22:43 GMT -5
dont worry, this is pretty much resolved anyway  |
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